RED Komodo Update – Dimensional Drawings Released, Production Starts

February 5th, 2020
RED Komodo Update - Dimensional Drawings Released, Production Starts

The RED Komodo seems to be in the final stages of development and it looks like RED started the production process. Mechanical development is done and RED released dimensional drawings for third party manufacturers to start working on accessories. Read further for latest update about the RED Komodo cinema camera.

Komodo Latest Update. Source: RED

It can sometimes be a bit difficult to find new relevant information on the Reduser forum. Even more so in case of the new RED Komodo camera. Its original Reduser forum thread with all the information has grown to a whopping 3709 posts on 371 pages. Thankfully, Jarred Land finally decided to open a new category about the Komodo camera to make things a bit easier to follow. I followed the Komodo thread over the last couple of weeks and gathered all the new information in this update post. What do we know so far?

RED Komodo was first mentioned in July 2019. What was initially supposed to be just a camera module for the RED HYDROGEN One phone and for the planed RED HYDROGEN Two phone, became a standalone new cinema camera. We already published two articles about Komodo – if you want to refresh memory before reading my new update post, check them here:

RED Komodo Features Roundup

Phil Holland posted a roundup of known Komodo specs on Reduser in November 2019. I based the following list on his roundup and added new information as they got revealed by Jarred Land later.

  • Sensor Technology: New 6K Sensor that features global shutter and rolling shutter modes as well as Phase Detect Auto Focus
  • Max Resolution: 6144×3240 (full sensor with DCI aspect ratio)
  • Max Framerate: 6K FF @ 40fps, 6K WS @50fps, 4k @60fps shouldn’t be a problem, there should be 48fps modes available
  • Anamorphic Support: Yes, but it will not be officially available till around two months after initial release
  • Codec Support: Internal Compressed RAW (REDCODE RAW, R3D), unknown if other codecs are supported as of now
  • Lens Mount: Integrated Canon RF Mount. Jarred said they are doing the EF protocol first, so native support for RF lenses will most likely not be there at launch.
  • Media Type: CFast 2.0 (body features a media slot compartment w/ door). Jarred later said they are also testing CFexpress for future use, but for Komodo they decided to stick with CFast 2.0.
  • Power Options: Dual slot Canon BP style batteries (various capacities) with hot swap and ability to run off one battery, DC input 12V (LEMO), Lower power draw than DSMC2
  • Camera Control: Integrated Touch Screen, On Camera Buttons, Some sort of Smartphone Interface, WiFi Control, EXT Port
  • Monitoring: Top Side Pogo Cableless Display Tech, 4K 6G or 12G SDI Out
  • Audio: Mic In 3.5mm jack, Headphone Jack, Internal Scratch Mic
  • Camera Cooling: It appears there’s an internal heat sink and fan w/ vent
  • Form Factor: < 4x4x4″ with magnesium/aluminum alloy body
  • Body Weight: < 2lbs
  • Buttons/Indicators: on/off switch, power/status indicator, record button, tally light, menu, menu selection up/down, funtion set, playback (probably toggle), 2X eject buttons for batteries, media compartment open
  • Wireless Camera Inteface/Control: WiFi w/ Antenna
  • Mobile Phone Support: Android and iOS
  • Rigging: 1/4″-20 around Pogo, 4X M4 around front of camera, 1X M3 for focus hook, general base plate form factor of DSMC2-style bodies

RED Komodo AC Adapter

Komodo’s AC Adapter. Source: RED

The Komodo’s AC adapter is considerably smaller than the AC adapters for previous RED cameras. Jarred posted a photo of it next to the 33mm RED COIN for size reference. The adapter’s specifications are 15v @ 3 amps. It connects to Komodo via 12V LEMO connector.

New External Antenna

Last mechanical update on Komodo’s body was the addition of an external antenna for wireless camera control as the original internal antenna was too weak. Jarred posted a photo of the external antenna with SMA connector. The connector lets users put longer antennas if needed.

Komodo’s last mechanical update – Antenna. Source: RED

According to Jarred, with the little antenna RED was able to send the signal to 300 feet (in perfect unobstructed conditions). Jarred was testing the range in an environment with lot of signal interference in his office and got somewhere between 80 and 100 feet. The range is important as Komodo is designed for example for drone use.

Mechanical Drawings Published

Komodo Dimensional Drawings released. Source: RED

On February 4th, RED published dimensional mechanical drawings for the Komodo (full resolution version is available here). All third party manufacturers can therefore now start designing the accessories for the camera. Bright Tangerine, for example, immediately confirmed working on some accessories. We can be sure, that Jarred’s own accessories brand Global Dynamics United (GDU) will also offer enough stuff for komodo.

First Footage from RED Komodo

There is no official Komodo footage available yet. Jarred said, they are still not 100% done with refining Komodo’s R3D color science, but we should see first official footage very soon.

Komodo Bayhem – Special color for Michael Bay. Source: RED

In the meantime, Michael Bay was playing with pre-production Komodos and he used it on his Hard Rock Superbowl commercial. It was shot with RED Komodo, RED Helium and RED Monstro cameras. In terms of grading flexibility, Jarred said he was in the DI during postproduction and they pushed the raw color 200% and it was an equal opportunity across all sensors. Can you spot Komodo shots in the video?

Price and Availability

From the very beginning, Komodo was supposed to be available for RED HYDROGEN One owners at a discounted price. This still remains the plan. The discounted price was supposed to be under $5,000. The first price estimate was $6,000 for customers who don’t own HYDROGEN.

During the development of the camera, Jarred Land, however, stated, that these prices will most likely be higher due to many added features. The real final prices for RED Komodo with and without discount further remain unknown.

When it comes to HYDROGEN discount, according to Jarred it is tied to the serial number of the phone. There is one discount per serial number, and as soon as that serial number is used the discount is retired. It is regardless of the version of the phone and the fact if it was pre-ordered or bought later. If you bought HYDROGEN One second hand before the cut off then you can get the discount but the original owner cannot, and vice versa.

Komodo pre-production camera tested by Don Burgess. Image credit: Phil Holland

The exact release date for the camera has not been fixed yet. There is a certain possibility that the release gets slightly postponed by the production delays due to the coronavirus in China. Jarred said, however, that RED has alternative production paths for those components which are made in China – some other parts are made in the US, in Mexico, Japan, Europe, and Singapore.

On February 4th, 2020 Jarred wrote on Reduser, that they put up the 12-week target calendar up on the weekend after they locked mechanicals, which would mean the release date to be around April 27th, 2020 (my guesstimate only) if the production does not get postponed by any unexpected delays. That would be just after NAB Show in Las Vegas.

What do you think of RED Komodo so far? Are you planning to invest in the camera? Let us know in the comments underneath the article.

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BenZOPhoto
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February 7th, 2020

Note GDU is not a RED brand. It’s J’s own brand.

simon
simon
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February 7th, 2020

is see a lot of blown out highlights in the background of this ad… but i guess red calls that a feature

Jeremiah
Jeremiah
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April 29th, 2020
Reply to  simon

That would have to do with how it was shot and also how it was processed and very little to do with the camera itself. Or are you unaware that you can blow out any camera? Is that news to you?

Mike
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February 7th, 2020

Do we know what the size of the sensor is? Super 35?

Mike
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February 13th, 2020
Reply to  Jakub Han

Got it, thanks!

 Angelo Sterno
Angelo Sterno
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February 6th, 2020

Of course it’ll be more money. I remember their bulls*hit 3K for $3k. This company is a joke and BMD will continue to bury these asshats. ?

Clayton Burns
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June 1st, 2020
Reply to  Angelo Sterno

oml use an 8k dsmc2 and ranger and then come talk to us sister. like damn I’ve used the pro g2, the pocket 6k and I still switch back to red constantly. they’re not even on the same playing field for high resolution cinema cameras.

 jiri vrozina
jiri vrozina
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February 5th, 2020

Firstly 50 of hand picked biggest RED Fanboys will be able to buy one. Then second wave of 200 Red owners will be able to get one. A year later, the rest of the sheep can get one.
In the meantime, next 12 months, Chinese will copy and built another 2 generations of Cinema cameras for half the price ?

Flip
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February 6th, 2020
Reply to  jiri vrozina

The Chinese were already there and deliver already! Z CAM E2 4K/160p, “S6” S35 6K, “F6” FF 6K, “F8” FF 8K… And there are some Arri and RED users who love the color science and features of these cameras.

Kevin Fan
Kevin Fan
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March 3rd, 2020
Reply to  jiri vrozina

This time is RED copying the Chinese products, namely Z-Cams and Mavos.

Dean
Dean
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February 5th, 2020

Doesn’t Red already have a Red camera around that price — the Red Raven? So what am I missing that’s so special about this $6k plus camera?

 jiri vrozina
jiri vrozina
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February 5th, 2020
Reply to  Dean

You are missing on difference between Raven and Komodo specs. Do more research.

Dean
Dean
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February 5th, 2020
Reply to  jiri vrozina

Jiri — here was your moment to impress with throwing down on some significant specs to compare the two and be kind to a fellow and share your knowledge, but alas you punted :( I will have to come back and share what I find so others can benefit. Cheers.

Matt Littler
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February 6th, 2020
Reply to  Dean

Specs are literally above.

Jon
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March 5th, 2020
Reply to  Dean

The raven is awesome, but has an EF lens mount which means there isn’t an easy way to adapt to PL lenses, this canon mount is much shorter, meaning it should be able to adapt to pretty much any lens. It’s also a much newer sensor, so will likely have better dynamic range and low light performance. It’s significantly lighter and a bit smaller, making it easier to put on smaller gimbals like the Ronin S. The built in touch screen will make adjusting settings much easier, and won’t require the purchase of a sidekick or a red monitor, so it could be used with traditional monitors or if I understand correctly a phone as a monitor. It also uses Standard CFast memory, which can make the system more cost effective. The raven is still built around the dsmc 2 ecosystem, and the memory is still pretty expensive, by having the built in touch screen menu system, battery mount, and CFast memory, you can get into this camera system for significantly less than you could a Raven.

BOUNCE
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February 5th, 2020

I do plan on getting a Komodo barring any unexpected shortcomings. But from what I know thus far I feel Red will deliver.

 Dan Brockett
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February 5th, 2020

I’m not the biggest RED fan in the world but at this price point, this camera become interesting, especially if the images are commensurate with the higher end REDs. A usable RED in the price range of the C200/300 MKII, S1H/EVA 1 and FS5/FS7 will flip some users to RED for sure. It’s a smart move from a company that has seen their market becoming further and further isolated to rentals and high end owner ops.

Honestly, you can’t go wrong if you have have $25-$100k to spend on a camera, they’re all great, Venice, REDs, Arris but at the lower end above mirrorless, there is a lot of room for improvement/competition and that’s where the second highest buying tier is above mirrorless. REDs can look amazing with good lighting and this camera sounds useful for documentary and event shooting.

Markus Magnon
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February 5th, 2020
Reply to  Dan Brockett

“but at this price point, this camera become interesting”
The is no price yet.

boson
boson
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February 6th, 2020
Reply to  Markus Magnon

Exactly, wouldn’t be surprised if it went up to ballpark $8k

Jeremiah
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April 29th, 2020
Reply to  boson

The other part is accessories, generally for both Arri and Red a lot of accessories are needed to get it up and shooting, but considering that all it will take is likely a monitor, a grip, Cfast cards (available everywhere), and generic Canon BP batteries (also available everywhere), there is plenty of opportunity that a full build out of the camera will be nicely under $10k.
At under $10k you’re up against the Sony FX9, Canon C300 III, Canon C500 II as well as the Mavo’s and ZCams and to a lesser extent the Sony FS7 and C300 II.
I’ll reiterate what Dan said, at that price it’s very interesting. Most would either choose to save the money (over cameras less than $10k) or save the money (over camera’s more than $10k) to buy the Red, because it’s a Red. And that’s if a build-out of this camera is $10k! And right now there is every indication that it will be far less than that. If body only is between $6-$8.5k it will be a no brainer.

It has the advantage of better support than the Chinese manufacturers (the only options that will compete spec wise under $10k) and that’s a big deal. If you can’t get your camera serviced, it just can’t survive in general production use. And Red has generally a bigger name than Sony or Canon. Combined with Red raw, Red Color Science, and RF mount, why would you buy a C300 III over this if you’re a small operator? (That’s rhetorical of course, people heavily invested in Sony or Canon will likely make wise business moves to continue using those products as well as those wanting excellent run and gun AF performance but that would be the case regardless of any system).

Jacob Tsering
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February 12th, 2020
Reply to  Markus Magnon

It was mentioned in November that the price would be around the 5-6k mark

 Brian DeViteri
Brian DeViteri
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February 5th, 2020

Will be interesting to see actual pricing. A lot of people who were teetering with interest in this are looking at other options. I love working with RED footage in post, but prefer other options when I’m running budget minded production.

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